Morikumo reviewed Single
on Jul 12, 2005 05:27 am
Thank God someone has finally given some more spotlight to the pope theory. My prediction has been sealed since one of my forum buddies stumbled across it doing some research on Popes, and my fingers have been crossed. Now I'm just waiting for it to come true- otherwise I'm screwed (lmao) from all my Pope Lucius ranting. O__o That's why I was so excited to see the theory arise within the essay- thank you! :D
on Jul 12, 2005 01:59 am
Very very interesting. This has given me quite a bit to think about, that's for sure. I was trolling around on JKR's site, actually, and I saw something that made me think of your argument re: whether or not Draco's a pureblood or not...."Don't forget that, as Sirius revealed in 'Order of the Phoenix', none of these families is really pure - in other words, they merely cross Muggles and Squibs off the family tree and pretend that they didn't exist." While the whole "who is the HBP?" has been the million dollar question ever since we learned the title, this essay combined with what she's said on her site have given me some pretty good reasons to believe that Draco is at least a possibility, whereas before I would have discounted it completely (I still have a nagging feeling it may be Hagrid). In any case, you've given me a lot of things to look for and attempt to explore more deeply on my next read-through of the books!
Annaleah/Salsasweetie1106 reviewed Single
on Jul 11, 2005 05:30 pm
Wonderful. I really hope your right, and well frankly your facts are so good, and theories very well supported, I think you are right. Great job! Can't wait for the new book, and the new essay!
Cancertopia reviewed Single
on Jul 10, 2005 10:59 am
"but in a short time, presumably when Valerian was made emperor, he(Lucius) was allowed to return to his flock"
Hmmm... now that was an intriguingly worded phrase... also, Valerian/Voldemort? It could happen! Once again, great job, and I love how much thought you put into this kind of thing.
Extinguished Fire, Melted Ice reviewed Single
on Jul 09, 2005 06:08 pm
There were a lot of things here that were well thought-out. I liked a few of your theories quite a bit, but I strongly believe that you let your imagination run wild with plenty of this.
Especially your little 'Draco/Ginny' ideas. They are a bit too far-fetched and there is no way that those two would ever become an item or even something similar.
And the "hungry expression" in Umbridge's office was directed to the fat toad of a Defense teacher, not Harry. Otherwise it would have given away the fact that Harry and Draco are potentially soul-mates. Jo would not make things that easy. And she obviously can't include this fact in one of the novels.
But alas, some people can see that Draco and Harry have a very special connection.
Obviously you're not one of them.
Anime10473 reviewed Single
on Jul 09, 2005 01:32 pm
I loved both chapters, they were both good. I had a review for the first chap. but then I realized their was a second chap. so I'll do it here.....
This is what I typed down and saved when I was reading the part with the quote "You're dead, Potter" --
"I think that in CoS we also begin to see the theme of twinning between Draco and Tom Riddle. There are parallels drawn constantly between Draco and Tom. Thomas is the Greek form of the Aramaic name Te'oma which meant "twin". Suggesting twinlike or doppelganger possibilities for Tom Riddle. Thomas also the name of the doubting disciple, and doubting is a form of bad faith—possible link to Malfoys?
And there is a very curious fact about CoS and OotP that nobody, to the best of my knowledge, has picked up yet. Only two characters are EVER described as having a “hungry” appearance when they look at Harry, or of staring at him “hungrily.” Tom Riddle in CoS, and Draco in OotP, in Umbridge’s office. AND… in the CoS, Tom tells Harry, “You’re dead, Potter.” Look at pg. 851 of OotP… Draco says “You’re dead, Potter.” The only two times this phrase is used, and the only two characters that use it. "
1) If "You're dead, Potter" was only said 'twice' - Once by Tom R. (CoS), and once by Draco M. (OotP) - then that phrase must have an importance, because in the CoS movie, 'Draco' says "You're dead, Potter" ( I can't remember if Tom said it as well in the movie) And if it was only said twice out of all the 'books' and was said very early on in the 'movie' [a common theme(if that's the word for it) in the movieverse-Ron/Herm relations, Draco's issues (clepto), etc] '(CoS Movie-- hint hint) (which JK had a say in), then it really IS a probable forshadowing that Draco will 'be' like Tom, will 'be' his twin. So what I'm trying to say is that the phrase 'You're dead, Potter" is important enough for JK to have it said by Draco very early on in the movie series. Because it's obviously important for Draco to say that phrase in both book (OotP) and movie (CoS). Forgive me if this is confusing.
2) Another thing if Draco is becoming like Tom in OotP then it's safe to assume that book 6 will be his turning point. At age 16 Tom Riddle made his choice and put his memory in a diary, later on he became Voldemort. So at age 16, Draco will (I presume) make a choice that will make him fully become Toms 'twin', and later on Harry's 'real' enemy. ( I wonder if he'll do a Tom and put a part of himself in a diary or somthing as a backup) .......Sorry I just finished reading the essay and I realize you kinda mentioned this but since I wrote it I mind as well leave it.
I'm just sort of adding stuff that I remembered and thought of when I read that certain part. So take as you will. If it's crap it's crap, I don't care, it just made me think of the Dual Scene in CoS movie and what he had said.
Any way, I loved all the Prophetic!Ron quotes, and the royalty thing is very interesting. :) --
Yeah, so all this was meant for the first chap. and the second chap was very good, especially the end :) Oh, I read the thing about the Saints before. It was on Cassandra Claire's Livejournal, it was for her fanfic. Draco Veritas, but anyway I forgot about it until I read it again here, thanks for reminding me and all the little tid bits.
Name: Alexandria Malfoy
on Jul 09, 2005 10:13 am
Anise, you continue to amaze me. To tell you the truth, I did notice the part of CoS when Draco picks up the book, but since it's been so long since I read the book, it was only after I read the first part that I went back and found the part. I like Snape explaination and the Lucius explaination too because they could make sense. And the whole Catholic Church thing with Lucius and Cornelius was a bit shocking as well. There are just way too many clues in HP that link to events in history. It's a tad freaky if you ask me. Now as to Creamtea's theory, I am patiently waiting for that one because if it's as good as you say, I will not rest until I read her theory with HBP in my hands. Oh and your responce to the FA thread was very funny. The Kama Sutra thing touched me on a personal level because it reminded me of an inside joke I have, so I just loved it. But overall, another excellent job putting out your theories about the HBP, hopefully at least one (if not all) will somehow be included in the book. xoxox
TurningLeft reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 11:38 pm
The second chapter cleared up a few things. I would LOVE for your theory to be true (Draco kicks ass!) and I also thought that description might be Albeforth Dumbledore. Also, I was looking at the full cover for the UK edition and thought that the watery place could be in the Chamber of Secrets. That would make more of a link between HBP and CoS. Also, The Chamber is under the lake and has yet to be explored further. I find it hard to believe that Dumbledore could (or would) destroy the chamber of Salazar Slytherin. What do you think?
-TurningLeft (who is also desperatly awaiting ch. 21 of JotH)
BellonaBlack reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 08:34 pm
OH!! How excitingly brilliant this essay is, you have me convinced. Beyond convinced actually. I'm much more excited about HBP.
jessica k malfoy reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 05:38 pm
have i ever told you i adore you? probably. i even sent this to my 18 year old brother last night to prove how important HP & d/g was. i love your theories & i am hoping that draco plays an important role in 6. i did just see a new crop of spoilers jump all over my LJ FList about 10 minutes ago & some of them had to do with draco. i'm dying with anticipation.
Talia reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 03:34 pm
Oh, wow - this was great. I was a bit dubious at first to read the second part of this essay, but when I did, I was so glad. You see, I could have sworn that JKR confirmed that that paragraph she released was describing the HBP. But I was mistaken, and when I read that it was just a rumour, I got so excited I started to shriek (earning odd sideways glances from my mom). My best friend and I want Draco to be HBP so bad, and we try not to confuse Canon!Draco with Fanon!Draco. My friend is convinced that Draco is part veela.....but *cough* getting off topic, um, great essay. My jaw got progressively lower and lower with astonishment as I read through the second part. I was very impressed at how thorough you were with this. Good job!
kannnichtfranzoesisch reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 10:24 am
Oh, I can so definitely see Lucius becoming the MoM. Even before I read the conspiracy theory. Another thing I heard which makes me think JKR wouldn't be adverse to using early Christian history (from someone who was quite convinced that Harry will have to sacrifice his life for the cause) was a JKR quote that if people knew about her religious beliefs then they'd be able to predict things. Or something like that. Let me hunt and see if I can find an official quote... yes!
Is she a Christian?
''Yes, I am,'' she says. ''Which seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I thought there was no God. Every time I've been asked if I believe in God, I've said yes, because I do, but no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that, and I have to say that does suit me, because if I talk too freely about that I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what's coming in the books.''
So I don't know, make of it what you will. But I think if Lucius does become minister, the 1-900 hotline might have to go to 1eyedjack (see their LJ for their fic, it's great, though not D/G.)
Looking forward to part 3!
on Jul 08, 2005 06:46 am
That parody is hilarious!
Lots of interesting points, such as all the small slipped in details, of which there is such a great quantity that for them all to turn out to mean nothing is highly unlikely.
I found this chapter more convincing than the last, perhaps because you had already begun to lead me down the path of believing.
Oh, I'm just itching for the next book to come out!
Jez reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 06:37 am
Ooooh. That final part was just... delicious.
I love the theory of the HBP. It's given me hope that maybe JK hasn't given up hope on Draco after all, like I'd first thought. Reading this has made me really pumped for the coming of the book in 7 days time.
akaSailor Mars reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 06:35 am
Ooh! Very nice addition! I especially loved the scene at the end. *snicker*
Anyway, for your theory on the Malfoy's and their lineage: The first(I think) sorting hat song says that Slytherins, "Will use any means to achieve their ends." Well, if Lucius Malfoy is powerhungry (*snort* IF?), then it would make perfect sense for him to fake his lineage, especially since "mugglelovers" and "mudbloods" don't get very far in the world. (OotP: Molly says that the reason Arthur is stuck in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts office is because Fudge (as a pureblood) frowns upon his muggle fasination.) I always wonder when the Sorting Hat's songs will be used. On the other hand...OotP: "Her (Andromeda) sisters made respectable pure blood mariages." It's really hard to tell which passages should be taken with a grain of salt, and which shouldn't. I also wonder how much we overanalyze what JKR says. And perhaps we haven't at all. I think it will be very interesting to see which rumors are debunked in book 6 and which aren't.
Also, there are three chapter titles. The one you missed is Chapter Fourteen
Felix Felicis. I think that is who the paragraph describes. The person is described like a lion, and Felix Felicis sounds like "feline". Whether he's the HBP or the DADA teacher, I do not know. I have a feeling it's the later, though.
I really enjoyed reading it, and I'm looking forward to Chapter 3!
Sarah reviewed Single
on Jul 08, 2005 06:14 am
Yeah, hi! Lovely theory, creamtea! I would love to hear all of your theories relating to HBP. Anyway, lovely essay, Anise. I died after reading "Chapter 10." We wish! I found that Cornelius-Lucius Pope thingy extremely interesting, but imelda could be right and it could just be a red herring. There's a lot of possibilities with Lucius as the MoM, but there's infinitely more possibilities with him NOT the MoM. Mainly, I want to see Draco develop as a character more. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to the Dark Side (haha), as long as he gains more depth. Lucius is so cool and collected in the DoM, and Draco really isn't known for being cool and collected. He's certainly got a temper on him. I would love it if Draco took a more mature turn, rather it be for good or for bad. He's brinking on maturity, as are the Trio, and so he's surely going to show some signs of that right? I mean, his dad's in Azkaban, that's GOT to be hard on a kid, even one like Draco. Right...so...those were kind of random thoughts, but I dunno, maybe someone else sees it the same way. Thanks for this amazing essay (again) and I can't wait for HBP OR the third chapter of this.
-Darko from F&I
creamtea reviewed Single
on Jul 07, 2005 09:41 pm
Thanks for the mention Anise. I've got a comment on the D/G relationship which I see slightly more optimistically than you do (but then hey, I would). I think it may not be based on a bedrock of darkness. There isn't much D/G interaction in canon, but what there is I see as follows:
Flourish and Blotts - Draco spots Ginny's emotional state straight off, he is the first - the only - person who sees that Ginny has a crush on Harry. And he sees it instantly. Unlike even members of her own family, Draco is attuned to Ginny. Next up: The Valentine card. Yep, we can see the whole instance as about Draco and the diary, but I see something else (as well?) - Draco is showing off in that corridor, slamming on Harry, giving Percy (the Head Boy!) the run around. Why? I think it's because, whether he knows it or not, he's trying to impress Ginny whom he would know was there because her hair is described as flaming - a beacon - he knows she's there and he's showing off to her. Note he becomes furious when Harry gets the diary off him - furious because Harry showed him up in front of Ginny, whom he then blasts with real wrath. He's jealous of her crush on Harry and angry that his plan to impress Ginny that he could beat Harry backfired on him. Okay so IMO Draco's interested - well, a lot of us think that, but why do I think it may not be dark? - tiny pieces of foreshadowing in OoTP.
James/Lily: 'Ahh, don't make me hex you Evans'. We know perfectly well James is mad about Lily, and perfectly well that he would NEVER have hexed her. Next: during the DA practice we're told that Ginny is winning against Michael Corner either because she's very good, or because he he can't bring himself to hex her. Well, the way that's written it reeks of foreshadowing that MC had a secret crush on Ginny (as James had his crush on Lily), but that's nonsense, because everyone knows MC and G are already going out, so there's nothing secret about it. So, if it's foreshadowing of a secret crush a boy has on Ginny, a boy who can't bring himself to go flat out against her in a hex shoot-out because he has a crush on her and doesn't want to hurt her - then who the hell is the crusher? I think it's Draco. Why? Because the VERY NEXT boy we hear of 'fighting' with Ginny is Draco. After the MC/secret crush foreshadowing we get nothing at all on Ginny in hex-combat with anyone, not even a mention in any DA practice - the next one up is Draco in Umbridge's office. And what happens? - Ginny 'wins'. Now Ginny beating Draco for me is utterly stupid, he's a boy steeped in dark magic, in jinx throwing, he whacks Harry in the CoS duel with a hex that a DE threw in the DoM, Draco has some serious mojo when it comes to hexing - but Ginny wins? We know she's not that good - in DoM she goes down early - but she beat Draco in a gunslinging match? Uh? Am I the only one who thinks that's fishy? IMO she won because Draco was pulling his punches: 'Ahhh, don't make me hex you Weasley'. For me, given canon Draco,(who in canon is not the ineffectual wimp a lot of Draco haters are determined to see him as) a rational explanation as to why Ginny beats Draco is because Draco isn't trying to beat Ginny. He fancies her. When it gets to it - he can't bring himself to go flat out and hex her to oblivion. So - Dark Draco and Dark Ginny? I don't necessarily see it as I don't necessarily see the 'revenge' motive from Draco. If he let her win (with all the reasons why) he's not looking for revenge. He may want to play at being vengeful in order to force a connection between them, but his heart definitely won't be in it.
Happy trails Draco fans!
sweetproserpina reviewed Single
on Jul 07, 2005 07:49 pm
Great point about Draco's Birthday! I never thought about it, but Draco will turn seventeen right near the end of HBP, becoming "of age" as a wizard! Will he inherit certain property? Will he finally be free from his dad?
You've given us lots to chew on!
imelda reviewed Single
on Jul 07, 2005 06:58 pm
Please keep in mind that everything I don't mention, I pretty much disagree with. I just like being argumentative (how else can we have good debates?). So: firstly, 'Alas, no.' I firmly believe that indicates no more than the fact that Arthur deserves to be recognized, and I have always felt (hoped) that the Lucius-Cornelius tie in was a red herring. If I am wrong, you may throw this in my face. And I admit here and now that my predictions for OotP were almost 100% wrong. 2) Wiarding law decreeing that property be passed only through male heirs? Sacrilege!! I refuse to believe JKR would ever do anything like that to us. 3) As I mentioned in chapter 1 review, does JKR really repeat plot? She repeats plot devices, certainly, and themes, of course, but actual plot/plot twists? I don't think so. 4) Forgot to mention this in chapter 1: Yeah, the whole Ginny-being-possessed thing is WAY unresolved. It drives me mad thinking of all the different ways we've explored this plotline that is simply RIFE with possibilities and yet, save one line in book 5, has been entirely ignored by JKR. What's going on there???? She'd better do something about it. 5) The Ron-weasel-yellow rat thing myth is a hoax? Is that right?????? (I hope so) That's all from this neck of the woods.
Jazzy reviewed Single
on Jul 07, 2005 06:50 pm
I'd like to point out continued support (which you most likely noticed, just chose not to include) during the scene with the Black Family tree.
"A double line of gold embroidery linked Narcissa Black with Lucius Malfoy, and a single vertical gold line from their names led to the name Draco."
It was only stated that Narcissa was connected to Lucius Malfoy. It said nothing on his end. You had stated this already, but that quote's just a bit more added support.
All in all, great job...you've got me considering this now...
on Jul 07, 2005 06:23 pm
Oh yeah. One more thing. There's this quote about St. Lucius:
St. Lucius continued the policy of Cornelius in admitting repentant apostates to communion after due penance.
Just as Cornelius Fudge re-admitted former Death Eaters to the wizarding community, if they "did penance" by claiming they'd been under the Imperius curse and were forced to do all those awful things. And Lucius Malfoy as MoM, of course, would do the same thing.