If we let Blaise in, we have to allow any threesome. I dont think it would be fair to limit Blaise the only other person allowed to be in the relationship. And we allow any pairings as long as it is D/G/? I think it might start to become a problem. So I am against opening submissions up to anything that is not D/G. But, that is just me.

CourtneyFaith @ Jan 19, 2008 05:07 am

I'm with CourtneyFaith. As much as I like the idea of being able to read Draco/Ginny/Blaise fics in one place it doesn't seem fair to limit threesome fics to those where Blaise is the third character.

HumbugGirl @ Jan 19, 2008 05:36 am

You're right, it'd have to be any third person. *edits*

Mynuet @ Jan 19, 2008 05:44 am

I would not mind. I don't read much threesome fics but I know a lot of people do and would love to be able to read D/G/Other character. Perhaps if authors write the fic in a manner in which it is understood that the main pairing is D/G and the third person is just that, a third wheel. I honestly do not mind at all, as long as there's D/G involved, it's ok in my book.

Then again maybe someone will argue a good point against it and change my perspective on the matter but I don't think so, it's ok by me.

Unless of course there’s D/G/Hr, but I’m not one to judge of course, some people like it. Think about it that would be a kind of…Gracony, or perhaps Dramionevra…ehem, random Nadia. I’ll stop talking now.

nArIan @ Jan 19, 2008 06:23 am

Like HumbugGirl, I agree with CourtnyFaith. I think it would take away from the D/Gness so, I'm against it.

razzle_be_dazzled @ Jan 19, 2008 06:36 am

I can certainly see why people are against D/G/B or D/G/?. Personally I think it's a wonderful idea. I consider it to be another aspect of the D/G relationship that should be viewed. There are plenty of fics where D/G aren't romantically involved, or involved at all really, but they're acceptable on this site because there is a strong interaction between our two favorite characters. Why shouldn't D/G/B be allowed as long as there is enough D/G to satisfy? Also, in all of the B/G fics I have read I have noticed that it is possible to substitute Draco's name whenever Blaise is mentioned and nothing needs to really change. Often it is as if they are the same person with just an interchangeable name. My last point has to do with fanfiction.net and the D/G section there. In my search for D/G/B fics on that site I have found that there are never any posted under B/G or B/D, rather all D/G/B fics are posted under D/G. I think this speaks about not only the authors' true alliances towards D/G but also the fact that no one really sees it as a B/G or B/D fic. It's D/G with Blaise along for the ride even if he's not a third wheel in the plot.
Unfortunately, I can't speak about a different third person. I am only advocating for D/G/B because the idea of D/G/Hr(H,?,etc.) makes me twitch.

I think that if you were to allow D/G/B fics on the site you would have to make a separate category and have them clearly marked as other for those who are D/G purists.

Mell8 @ Jan 19, 2008 07:30 am

Wow, Mell8 practically took the words out of my mouth. Personally, I think that adding having Blaise (or anyone else) involved with the DG pairing is just another aspect of Draco and Ginny's relationship. There's already so many fics out there where Ginny's with Harry or Draco's with Pansy and even though it usually ends up as some romantic entanglement with Ginny and Draco, those fics could definitely be labeled D/G/H or something like that. Having to chose between two people that you care for is something that people have to go through in life, whether it's romantically related or not, and if it just ends up that Ginny chooses Draco AND Blaise (or Draco and Harry, or Draco choses Ginny and Hermione, etc.), then there is still enough flavor of DG that I think it should be allowed on the site.

So I vote yes, to DG and any other character. And it would be a literary challenge, to make something like, you know, D/G/Hr work or something like that. My only reserve that these fics be Very Clearly Labeled, because I'm definitely not sure if I'm ready for some Draco/Ginny/Blaise smut yet.

fallingskyes @ Jan 19, 2008 07:49 am

I'd be fine with the whole D/G/B thing and Mell8 makes awesome points. However my immediate shudder at fics with continueing D/G/H makes me wary of the D/G/? possibility.

Moranar @ Jan 19, 2008 07:51 am

I don't see anything wrong with D/G/? as long as they are marked clearly. I also am not into other pairings than D/G/B but if there are people that wish to read about Draco and Ginny's relationships with other people then I feel it should be acceptable. The main focus remains the Draco/Ginny interest, just with potential additions to their relationship.

SlytherLynnie @ Jan 19, 2008 07:57 am

Hmmm... I'm with the girls above me. If it's properly marked (so I'm not stuck reading smut with Scarhead) I'd be cool with it. It's true- there are D/G fics archived here that aren't even them being together in a romantic way - so how is that fair not to archive threesome fics here when D/G are actually TOGETHER just because they are together with someone else. I, my self, have a fic here that is H/G until I kill of Harry and have Draco get with Ginny (clichéd I know) and the whole first half isn't D/G... you know? I say Yay (versus Nay). ;)

jandjsalmon @ Jan 19, 2008 08:06 am

I agree with the ladies at the very top. This is the Fire and Ice archive, not the Fire, Ice and other archive. I'm against adding a third person.

niffer @ Jan 19, 2008 08:35 am

I am against adding a third person. t doesn't really make sense... 

eugenia @ Jan 19, 2008 08:49 am

I am for it! A separate section for threesome fics would mean that those of us who write both D/G and D/G/B (or other person) could archive everything on one site. It would also mean that we had a quality site that screened out all the low quality fics that /other/ sites have.

So, I vote yes.

Airmid @ Jan 19, 2008 08:52 am

I've had a thought now that I've read some more of what people have to say... It definitely seems that there is some support for D/G/B and most people who flinch about the D/G/? option do so because of the possibility that Harry or Hermione could be that missing link. I am personally against any relationships with H or Hr. I can't even read D/G fics that start off with H/G intimacy and the concept of D/Hr sends a cold shiver down my spine.
My thought is that perhaps we could restrict that question mark to just Slytherins? It would eliminate the squickiness many of us feel about H and Hr and alleviate any fears of a hostile H, Hr takeover.

Mell8 @ Jan 19, 2008 09:21 am

I'm going to have to side with a separate section for the threesome fics. Have them even more separated in it with D/G/B and D/G/Hr ect. It's the freedom of writing and who knows maybe with reading stories with a third person in it, one could find a new ship to love.

yomoedmb @ Jan 19, 2008 09:22 am

This is actually making me want to go look for a good D/G/B or other character fic.............hm.

nArIan @ Jan 19, 2008 09:25 am

Sorry, somehow it seems that my previous comment posted itself twice?? My apologies. I have no idea how that happened.

If anyone wants to experiment and read some D/G/B fics to see what they're like (nArIan), I can offer some titles on fanfiction.net.

Mell8 @ Jan 19, 2008 09:31 am

Like Mell8, D/Hr makes me physically ill (which is funny bc i started off with that ship and then abandoned it). While I don't have any problems with D/G/?, i don't feel it belongs on the dracoandginny.com site. sorry

darksideofthemoon @ Jan 19, 2008 09:42 am

I don't think I'm all that comfortable with the idea of a separate section for D/G polyamory. The fact that it would need to be kept separate and not within the scope of the existing, length-based categories would seem to be a big indicator that it doesn't fit in with the site's theme.

As for restricting it to Slytherins as the other, why should one third wheel be treated differently than any other? If someone wants to write D/G/Hr, why should they be treated any differently from someone who writes D/G/B?

The argument that Blaise is basically a carbon copy of Draco isn't a recommendation, since that's a sign of sloppy writing rather than a transitive property of shipping.

Mynuet @ Jan 19, 2008 09:44 am

I really think that if there was to be any D/G/? it should not exclude some characters just because some people don’t like it. I cringe at the thought of D/G/Hr or even D/G/H, but I still respect those who love the ship, however insane it may be for me. I also don't like the idea of having a seperate section in the archive for D/G/?.
Perhaps an alternative to a separate section would be for authors to warn in the summary that there is going to be D/G/?. I’m not suggesting that you add a new warning to the warnings list, since I'm pretty sure that would involve unnesessary work for our site techies. Only for it to be imperative for an author that if there is going to be D/G/? written in the fic, then they have to specify it in the summary. That way a person that hates the mere thought of D/G/? can just ignore the fic and move on. I think this could be a happy medium. People that like D/G/? have it and people that don’t ignore it and the good D/G name in the archive would not be harmed. I think. I hope.

nArIan @ Jan 19, 2008 10:32 am

Okay, I just learned a new word. I had to look up polyamory in the dictionary. I is smarterer now! Anyway... I want to respond to Mynuet's comment since it seems to be mostly directed at a few ideas I put forward.
I would recommend at least clearly marking that it's a polyamory (new word hehe!) fic. Separating them was just a recommendation to appease all those who didn't want to see the fics mixed with the others. Just like you have a characters category and warnings, etc., you could add a ships category with a D/G/? option. Then nothing is really separated, it's just marked, again so the D/G purists know to stay away.
Next, the Slytherin idea was just that, an idea. I know of a number of sites that specifically require ships with at least one Slytherin so I thought I'd put it out there. Obviously it's a no so I won't bring it up again. I also refuse to advocate for D/G/Hr so I won't say anything about that either.
Lastly, the argument that Blaise is basically a carbon copy of Draco was a poor one, I'll admit. But I want to mention that I wasn't pointing towards D/G/B fics. I was specifically saying that B/G fics could be so easily changed into a D/G fic. Many B/G writers' characterization of Blaise is similar to other D/G authors' characterizations of Draco. I don't think that it's sloppy writing as much as it's the sheer amount of similarity between both characters. I hope I was better able to explain myself this time!
I also have a quick question. In your first comment you said you were asked several times about polyamorous fics and then you specifically referenced D/G/B. Were there any requests for D/G/? fics in the first place? If the original requests were for only D/G/B and since most of the positive comments say yes to D/G/B but seem leery about D/G/?, it would then seem to me that the general membership are specifically looking for D/G/B and not D/G/?. I understand that there is a fairness issue, but at the same time if there isn't a call for anyone other than Blaise is is truly necessary to even consider anyone else? Again, this is just another idea so please feel free to say no and unless I can come up with an amazing argument I'll drop the issue all together.

My personal recommendation agrees wholeheartedly with jandjsalmon and fallingskyes. As long as a fic has strong D/G action, even if it also has D/G/B, D/B, and B/G, it should be allowed. I would be interested to see how many fics on this site have H/G, G/?, or D/? as well as D/G. There are even fics where Ginny is with Harry and Draco at the same time, although not in the same bed, because she either can't choose or is using Harry as a cover for her relationship with Draco (that's just one of the cliches, I know). It's not a threesome exactly, but I actually think it's a similar issue that is already allowed on this site as long as there is D/G present. It's something to think about anyway.

P.S. Thanks to whoever took off the double post. I still don't know how that happened and I'm crossing my fingers that it doesn't happen this time!

Mell8 @ Jan 19, 2008 10:47 am

I just want to make it clear - I'm not actually against including threesomes on the site. I just don't think it should be restricted to Blaise only. If I suddenly decide I was to write Draco/Ginny/Pansy (which is entirely likely knowing me, lol) then I'd like to know that there was the option to post it here.

In my opinion there is no reason that it could not be included in with the rest of the fic. All that's needed is some sort of tag - like there is for violence, blood, slash, etc. We already select the individual characters that are going to be included so all that people need to do is select 'Blaise', or 'Pansy', or 'Other'. If the reader actually bothers to check out the story information then they should be able to tell who is in it and the fact that it's a threesome piece.

Also, I don't believe that Blaise is basically Draco in disguise. Personally, I write him as a completely different character with his own individual history, and the only reason that I would put it in the D/G section if I was posting over at ff.net would be that there would be more people likely to read it than if I placed it in B/G or D/B.

HumbugGirl @ Jan 19, 2008 10:55 am

I know that most members of the FIA are members of other sites, and if they want to read something that is not D/G they will go to those sites to do so. I think that it would just be more work for the cabal members approving each story. The subtitle of this website says it all, Proudly Flying the Flag of True Love Between the Ferret and the Girl Weasel. There is no mention of other characters that might be a part of their story. I believe that by expanding the scope of fiction here, we will just being set up for more expansion in the future. Perhaps until the point where this site is just another random pairing. (a bit dramatic, but still a possibility.)

CourtneyFaith @ Jan 19, 2008 11:46 am

I was just about to say what HumbugGirl said, the third character (who ever they might be, Blaise or otherwise) can be just another tag, I think most people read them, I know I check for character death, blood and who is in the fan fic at times so I don't think these stories have to be sectioned off with red arrows and caution tape.

I suppose it could be like when you browse or something that could be a factor to look for. I personally may be a bit squirmish about some couples but I don't think because of how I feel about something should hinder anyone else being able to read/write and archive them so with that being said, I’m personally think this is a fine idea as long as it is tagged.

Anyways, like some people have stated, some fan fics start out with Ginny and Harry together then she ends up with Draco (for an example); that's three people isn't it? If anything, I think it will help because then people who ONLY want G/D can look for it rather then stumble on a story with a love triangle. I know at times I want PURE G/D where as other days I would be all right if one of them was with someone else to start with.

(I hope I made sense.)

LimnHere @ Jan 19, 2008 11:56 am

Oh, ops, I wanted to add something but I forgot to: even with another person, I do think that the focus should be on Ginny and Draco.

LimnHere @ Jan 19, 2008 11:57 am